Jo Walton ([info]papersky) wrote,
@ 2008-06-11 15:47:00
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Trains. I've always liked trains.
I am going to Denver on the train.

I was dithering about this, but I discovered, poking around on Amtrak's website (now that I have a computer competent to load Amtrak's website) that both Denver and Montreal are in the East part of Amtrak's remit, and that a peak time 15 day pass on the East part is only $369. This is a lot less than flying. Granted it takes a lot more time, but I have a lot more time than I do money. Also, flying isn't very fast -- yes, it's a four hour flight, but the "cheap" flight I was looking at takes more than nine hours and has two changes. I'd rather spend two and a half days on trains and in stations than nine hours on planes and in airports. Also, I still have a US visa from the time we whizzed down to Vermont so we could officially Land in Canada, so that makes things easier.

So, I will have a 15 day ticket on which I can go anywhere in the East region. (You can see a really good map of it if you go to the link I embedded earlier, click on "buy a pass" and then on the map. I can't link directly to the good map.)

I want to arrive in Denver on the 5th and leave on the 11th.

First thought -- is anyone else planning on going on the train and would like to meet up, maybe in Chicago?

Second thought -- on the way home, if I go directly I have the old "23 hours in Schenectady" problem. (This is because Amtrak, while totally rocking in many ways -- cheap, with lovely trains with edible food, free cold water and huge comfortable seats such as are undreamed of in Europe -- runs trains and not a railway system. I have ranted about this before.) Anyway, there are other things I could do if I have a pass. I could go somewhere else between Denver and New York -- pretty much anywhere. I'd have six days to do a two and a half days journey in. Even so, it wouldn't be possible to go everywhere and see everybody I'd like to -- but I might be able to go to some places and see some people. Or I could just ride trains in a great big loop on my own and see zillions of places, from the train. There are sensible options and silly options. (And the more I look at that train map, the more I think of the really, really silly options.) But I thought I might as well ask, who's between those two points, might like to see me, and has a railway station and a spare bed?


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[info]kate_nepveu
2008-06-11 07:54 pm UTC (link)
Early August . . . may not be a super-wonderful time to visit us, though if the alternative is 23 hours in the Schenectady train station, you are *of course* welcome to crash at our place.

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[info]papersky
2008-06-11 07:59 pm UTC (link)
I wasn't going to ask you, because I figured it would be a horribly awkward time and it would be hard for you to say no.

I don't actually have to spend 23 hours in the station. If I'm not paying for the travel per mile, I can easily and sensibly go in to New York City, spend a day there, and then come home the day after.

Or (look at that map!) I could do something more baroque.

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(no subject) - [info]kate_nepveu, 2008-06-11 08:04 pm UTC (Expand)
NYC way more fun that 23 hours in Schenectady
[info]elissaann
2008-06-11 08:00 pm UTC (link)
Would like to see you - check.

Have railway station - check.

Spare bed - check.

Cat warning. Also Piglet warning and Vicki warning!

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Re: NYC way more fun that 23 hours in Schenectady
[info]porcinea
2008-06-13 06:41 pm UTC (link)
Ah, the battle royale should she elect to visit here!

(Jello-wrestling? Cat-on-cat action?)

Aside to [info]papersky, I fondly recall my 13 hours in Buffalo. I abandoned my stuff in the station (perhaps checked with the station attendant? it's been too long to recall), and taxied into town to shop the local mall and watch movies. Dinner and back onto the night train. I think I was Toronto-bound, that time.

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[info]purplecthulhu
2008-06-11 08:01 pm UTC (link)
If you have time, North American trains are great. We did Boston to Orlando, via DC, for Magicon in 92, the Coast Starlight from Seattle to San Francisco as part of our LA Con trip in 96 and did Edmonton to Vancouver and back before Polycon in 2000. I'd love to have the time to do this now! Maybe when/if I get to sell novels and give up (or cut back on) the day job...

Do they have power outlets on AmTrak these days? That would make things easier for someone writing as you could work when the countryside gets boring...

Hmmm - maybe I should have a train userpic...

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[info]papersky
2008-06-11 08:16 pm UTC (link)
Some trains have power outlets, some don't, seemingly at random. When we went to Arizona on the train for World Fantasy, we had power outlets about half the time. I will definitely take my trusty laptop Caliban.

I haven't done a long (several days) train trip on my own before.

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(no subject) - [info]mmegaera, 2008-06-11 10:47 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]papersky, 2008-06-11 11:19 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]gerisullivan, 2008-06-12 02:07 am UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]mmegaera, 2008-06-12 02:30 am UTC (Expand)
Also, map
[info]kate_nepveu
2008-06-11 08:08 pm UTC (link)
http://www.amtrak.com/usarailpass/east-region.htm?pagename=am2/am2Popup

(Yes?)

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Re: Also, map
[info]papersky
2008-06-11 08:16 pm UTC (link)
Yes! Well done.

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Re: Also, map - [info]stephdairy, 2008-06-11 09:06 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]magentamn
2008-06-11 08:11 pm UTC (link)
Are you going through Minneapolis? I can't offer bed space, except on the couch, but I'd be glad to pick you up, drive you around, etc. And there are lots of fans in Minneapolis. I have fond memories of when you were GoH at Minicon in 2001.

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[info]papersky
2008-06-11 11:20 pm UTC (link)
I'd love to go through Minneapolis, but it doesn't make sense because it's in the wrong direction and there wouldn't be time.

Pity.

Thank you. Another time.

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(no subject) - [info]naomikritzer, 2008-06-11 11:56 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]ashnistrike
2008-06-11 08:12 pm UTC (link)
We are not going to Denver, but would love to meet up if you are going to be stopping in Chicago. We also have a spare bed, which you are welcome to if you wish.

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[info]papersky
2008-06-12 02:16 pm UTC (link)
I'm working on a plan. Email me at bluejo@gmail?

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[info]carbonel
2008-06-11 08:36 pm UTC (link)
Come to Minneapolis? If you're taking the Empire Builder, it's on the way, and I have a guest room. (I think as far as Amtrak is concerned, it's St. Paul, but not a problem.)

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[info]malibrarian
2008-06-11 08:36 pm UTC (link)
Well our new home is right by Schenectady, really, and Rochester does seem to have a train station. And we now have a spare bedroom as well. You're more than welcome to come and visit with us and I know that Kip would love to have company in the house.

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[info]gerisullivan
2008-06-12 02:14 am UTC (link)
Dear heart, I think you might be confusing Syracuse and Schenectady. Schenectady is 200 miles east of you. Even Syracuse is almost 80 miles away, but now other "S" cities in New York jump immediately to mind.

I can attest to the comforts of your new home, the pleasure of your company, and the delights of Pittsford. It's well worth a stop!

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(no subject) - [info]malibrarian, 2008-06-12 01:50 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]janetmk
2008-06-11 08:37 pm UTC (link)
This sounds wonderful.

All trains seem to go through Chicago and the radiating lines aren't conveniently connected otherwise. Hmm, coming back through Indiana, along the Ohio River, and up through the mountains of West Virginia, and stopping in Washington would be a fine choice. There are good connections from here to Montreal via NYC.


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[info]mjlayman
2008-06-12 01:51 am UTC (link)
I was thinking of Manassas! But we only have two Amtrak trains through here a day and they do go/come from Union Station, which is where I met Jo the last time they were here!

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(no subject) - [info]papersky, 2008-06-12 02:21 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]mjlayman, 2008-06-12 11:49 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]boxofdelights
2008-06-11 08:38 pm UTC (link)
I live about an hour's drive north of Denver and would love to play host, chauffeur, or native guide for you.

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[info]pameladean
2008-06-11 08:47 pm UTC (link)
We have a guest room too and of course would be perfectly delighted to see you. But Minneapolis/St. Paul looks well out of your way to me. It looks as if you'd have to go to Chicago and then backtrack. That's actually a pretty good description of Amtrak hereabouts in general.

P.

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[info]pameladean
2008-06-11 10:19 pm UTC (link)
Whoops, I've just been reminded that we have a house guest at that time already.

But look! lots of other people have guest rooms in Minneapolis! You could meet the housguest -- it's Eric.

P.

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(no subject) - [info]arkuat, 2008-06-12 07:26 am UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]pameladean, 2008-06-12 03:43 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]epacris, 2008-06-12 09:02 pm UTC (Expand)
Well, it's only a futon sofa.
[info]dakiwiboid
2008-06-11 08:53 pm UTC (link)
However, if you were routed through St. Louis, we could house you and show you around. We even have multiple varieties of tea.

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[info]tanac
2008-06-11 08:56 pm UTC (link)
Well, Amtrak goes directly from DC to us here in Durham, but you must get the magic Amtrak lines, because when I tried to take it for a short hop this last weekend, it was (as has always been the case for me travelling Amtrak) over two hours late.

You must have a magic bottom, too, because while I can sleep on planes, I found it impossible to sleep on the train, even at 4am. :)

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[info]rezendi
2008-06-11 08:57 pm UTC (link)
Wow. That's a pretty awesome deal. I had no idea.

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[info]daharyn
2008-06-11 09:00 pm UTC (link)
It's a shame that the "East" region ends at Denver; I would otherwise highly encourage the Reno-Sacramento section of the California Zephyr track (I am assuming you'll be on that line from Chicago to Denver). I very much enjoyed that section of it in late April (I went from Omaha to SF. Omaha to Denver is boring as hell, but it at least occurs at night). As I can't offer crash space here in NYC (small apt, strange roommate, and you undoubtedly know others a lot better), I am tempted to say "be silly" -- and go see NOLA, should you know anyone in the Gulf region who could put you up for a night or two? (I may, however, be living a vicarious fantasy life via that idea. I am rather enchanted by train travel.)

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[info]dd_b
2008-06-11 09:12 pm UTC (link)
I see Pamela has already invited you, but yes, that would be neat. Topologically a bit weird though, I agree.

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[info]sraun
2008-06-11 10:34 pm UTC (link)
I did not believe it!

If I tell Amtrak Den -> MSP
Denver -> Sacramento, CA, 8/11, 8:05AM -> 8/12, 4:11PM
Sacramento -> Klamath Falls, OR, 8/12, 11:59PM -> 8/12, 8:15AM
Klamath Falls -> Pasco, WA, 8/13, 9:15AM -> 8/13, 8:15 PM (by BUS!)
Pasco -> MSP, 8/13, 8:57PM -> 8/15, 7:05AM

If I build my own:
Den -> Chi - leave 8/11, 8:10PM, arrive 8/12, 3:50PM
Chi -> MSP - on 8/12, leaves at 2:15PM. Would have to layover until 8/13 at 2:15PM

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(no subject) - [info]mjlayman, 2008-06-12 01:56 am UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]timprov, 2008-06-12 03:52 pm UTC (Expand)
topology - [info]arkuat, 2008-06-12 07:33 am UTC (Expand)
Re: topology - [info]pameladean, 2008-06-12 03:45 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]jeffreyab
2008-06-11 09:17 pm UTC (link)
Congrats! That is a very resourceful plan, except for the 23 hours in Schenectady of course, but it looks like you can work around it.

You could also go VIA to Sarnia and then cab to AMTRAK in Port Huron pretty easy except for the border and actual connections.

Not too long ago you could have gone direct from Toronto to Chicago on one train.

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[info]papersky
2008-06-11 10:53 pm UTC (link)
That costs more because it isn't included in the pass. Also the timing is such that I'd have to spend a night in TO.

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[info]faithhopetricks
2008-06-11 09:33 pm UTC (link)
I'd rather spend two and a half days on trains and in stations than nine hours on planes and in airports.

Oooh, hell yeah.

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[info]sethb
2008-06-11 09:33 pm UTC (link)
23 hours in Schenectady is intended to cover the not-atypical 20 hour delays.

(OK, it's been a long time since I rode Amtrak's long-distance routes. But making tight connections has never been something to depend on.)

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[info]rivka
2008-06-11 09:49 pm UTC (link)
We would be utterly thrilled to have you visit us in Baltimore. We're very easily accessible by Amtrak, and if you felt like doing more than just hang out and chat we could take you to the Smithsonian. You could get astronaut ice cream. ;-)

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[info]lizzibabe
2008-06-11 10:19 pm UTC (link)
I'd like to add my vote to this. Baltimore/Washington DC contains many interesting things that are also free you would be very interested in. You can check out the many Smithsonians at Go Smithsonian!.

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(no subject) - [info]oldsma, 2008-06-11 10:42 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]lizzibabe, 2008-06-11 10:26 pm UTC (Expand)
If you Make it to DC
[info]wolfdancer
2008-06-11 09:56 pm UTC (link)
I sugest the Mall, and the usall things. Hope Dimond. ect.
I have a Hot tub, and should have a couch.
There is a Con some time in Aug, near me, perhaps you could crash it?
It is a VERY small SH con, but has I will have a room there. Called Sharecon
Will get you the dates if it is a remote posability.

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[info]jenett
2008-06-11 10:10 pm UTC (link)
Add me to the "I would love to see you, but suspect Minneapolis is too out of the way." (Also, I do not have spare couch, but that part appears to be locally resolveable!)

Me, I'm still trying to figure out how they justify Denver as 'East'.

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[info]ysabel
2008-06-11 10:25 pm UTC (link)
I'm in Denver, might like to see you and can likely arrange for a spare bed. I know that doesn't qualify as 'in between' really, but thought I'd mention it anyway.

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[info]carandol
2008-06-11 10:48 pm UTC (link)
Wow! Live action Railroad Tycoon! (Without all that pesky laying of tracks, of course.)

For some reason, I'm reminded of our 23 hour day-trip to Perth.

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[info]papersky
2008-06-11 11:07 pm UTC (link)
The first time I was ever on Amtrak I thought "I could run this system better than this! Wait! I have run this system better than this!"

Anyone who has played Railroad Tycoon could run Amtrak as a system better than Amtrak. It's odd, because in all other ways than being a system it is way better than any trains I've encountered elsewhere. But that system thinking that Railroad Tycoon and, for instance, the Montreal bus system, encourages, just isn't there.

Like our 23 hour trip to Perth, no doubt this will be punctuated with lots of cups of tea. One of the nice things Amtrak do is sell you a cup for $1, which they will then infinitely refill with very hot water suitable for making green tea or tisanes.

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[info]kalimeg
2008-06-11 11:30 pm UTC (link)
Sharon and Steve may use a train. That is LJ kinzel and rolanni.

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