Jo Walton ([info]papersky) wrote,
@ 2007-04-24 13:55:00
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Copyright , IPST and supporting writers
I'm not a copyright objector. I approve of copyright, largely because I believe living authors should retain as much control as they want of their work. I certainly want control of mine. There are certainly things wrong with modern copyright law. I've always been in favour of Traditional American Copyright -- 28 years plus renewable for another 28 if you're still alive and want to renew. I think it's regrettable that there isn't a way to have your work go into the public domain when you die. But I certainly think everyone should respect copyright. Aside from the whole money thing, it lets writers feel safe sharing things.

The whole IPST thing is a question of choice. I responded to Dr Hendrix's remarks with a strong desire to do the opposite, and have a bit of fun doing it. I asked for volunteers -- I wasn't expecting such an overwhelming outpouring of response, and I'm amazed at all the terrific stuff people posted. I quite often post poetry here -- because quite honestly, the instant gratification of response is worth more to me that the future possibility of $5 or $10. Besides, there are places (In 2006, Lone Star Stories, Goblin Fruit, Asimov's, Mythic, Poetry From the Trenches) who are prepared to give me the money anyway, after it's already been up here. I don't want to be called a scab for doing that! I'm from the Valleys. Scab is very strong language. I recoiled from the screen when I read that word. I'm very glad Dr Hendrix has taken that back.

Before posting The Rebirth of Pan and The Prize in the Game yesterday, I haven't posted any whole novels. I regularly post the first few chapters of novels on my web page a few months before they come out. Friends of mine have posted whole novels, and that's their choice, and should be. When Eric Flint started doing it, I wasn't at all sure about how it would work out, but time has shown it doesn't damage paper sales and may even help them because of the exposure.

A couple of people have emailed me asking if there's a tip jar or how they can support technopeasant writers. The best way is to buy their books. or if they don't have books, remember their names for when they do. If you want to support me, buy Farthing, and pre-order Ha'Penny! If you can't afford that buy The King's Peace or Tooth and Claw, they're still in print in paperback. If you can't even afford a paperback, order Ha'Penny now from all the libraries you belong to -- library sales are sales.

Thanks for all the response, I've been quite overwhelmed.

Oh, and to the 40-odd people who have friended me in the last week -- this journal is nothing like this interesting normally! Sometimes I post nothing but wordcount for days on end! I won't be the slightest bit offended if you go away again now the excitement is over. But if you want to stick around and say hello now you're here, that's also fine with me.


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[info]hobbitbabe
2007-04-24 05:59 pm UTC (link)
Is it right that in Canada, you eventually get little tiny royalties every time I borrow one of your books from the library?

I actually never have ordered your books from the library due to owning them, but it's a more general question.

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[info]papersky
2007-04-24 06:08 pm UTC (link)
No, but it would be true if I were Canadian.

Come on, Immigration, sort those forms! I want my tiny royalties from libraries! Though actually from what I hear, it tends to be more like microscopic to see for non-bestsellers. It's a lovely idea though.

Some writers hate libraries. I have loved them all my life.

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[info]desperance
2007-04-24 10:56 pm UTC (link)
If you're not Canadian yet, do you still qualify for UK PLR? Or have you fallen between two stools?

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[info]papersky
2007-04-25 12:11 am UTC (link)
I have no books published in Britain, so it's a bit of a moot point.

I don't think I would qualify anyway, I think you have to be paying tax, and I pay tax here.

Do you make anything noticeable out of it?

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[info]desperance
2007-04-25 07:50 am UTC (link)
Ah, I used to. When I was being published over here (sob!), I used to reckon PLR covered me for one month out of the twelve. But books disappear from library shelves more quickly than you'd think; you have to maintain an annual publication cycle, to keep the numbers up. I haven't had a UK publisher for a few years now, and it's remarkable how quickly the PLR drops off. This year it was pocket-money, no more.

Like Fu Manchu, though, I Shall Return...

(Actually,I've always wanted to write a new Fu Manchu. It's high time he did Return.)

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[info]jeffreyab
2007-04-24 06:04 pm UTC (link)
I read "Farthing" and enjoyed it very much. I like the story about your inspiration for it via Josephine Tey. "The daughter of time" was required reading in my first year history class.

I will order "Ha'penny" for the library as soon as possible.

Do you use the library for research for your alternate histories?

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[info]papersky
2007-04-24 06:11 pm UTC (link)
Yes, I certainly do, all the time. I think for Ha'Penny I borrowed books from four library systems in two countries. I buy a lot of books, but I couldn't get by without libraries.

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[info]jonquil
2007-04-24 06:20 pm UTC (link)
Thank you for throwing the lovely party.

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[info]janni
2007-04-24 06:39 pm UTC (link)
Yes! Thank you!

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[info]anton_p_nym
2007-04-24 06:21 pm UTC (link)
Oh, and to the 40-odd people who have friended me in the last week -- this journal is nothing like this interesting normally!

Liar. *grin*

Once again, thanks for getting this IPSTD ball rolling. I've got a plethora of new ideas for talent to check out now (and I'm nowhere near reading all the stuff posted that piques my interest yet) and I have the distinct feeling I'll be adding some names to my "buy" list in the future. (Well, after I scrape together some more book money after my last splurge, anyway.)

-- Steve very much agrees with the idea of copyright; his only objection is to the "infinitely distendable" kind which always seems nigh.

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[info]timprov
2007-04-24 06:32 pm UTC (link)
I think it's regrettable that there isn't a way to have your work go into the public domain when you die.

You can will your copyrights to the public domain. At least one can in the US; I imagine you would be able to in Canada as well.

A couple of people have emailed me asking if there's a tip jar or how they can support technopeasant writers. The best way is to buy their books.

The second best way is to support paying webzines. Even just by reading them and giving feedback when you like something.

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[info]papersky
2007-04-24 06:36 pm UTC (link)
I was in Britain when I looked into it, and it seemed I couldn't. I'll have to check that out again here.

As for paying webzines, absolutely. Especially Strange Horizons and Lone Star Stories, because they have such excellent taste. :-)

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[info]pigeonhed
2007-04-24 07:04 pm UTC (link)
A way round might be to will your copyrights to a literary executor with instructions to allow anyone who wanted to the right to use your work without asking. Its not quite the same and people would perhaps assume your work was still copyright when in practice it wasn't...?

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[info]papersky
2007-04-25 12:13 am UTC (link)
My literary executor can put my work in the public domain when I'm dead, and he has been instructed to -- though as Z has from time to time asked me why I'm not rich and why I lack a hereditary title, I can't rely on whether he'll actually do this.

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[info]desperance
2007-04-25 07:52 am UTC (link)
Fine questions, both of them, when expressed - I hope? - in the appropriately resentful tone; I always felt my own parents let me down badly, in these respects.

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[info]timprov
2007-04-24 09:02 pm UTC (link)
I will try to hunt up some resources on this. I'm not as familiar with British and Canadian copyright law as I ought to be.

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[info]timprov
2007-04-24 09:24 pm UTC (link)
Hm. Consensus at the moment seems to be that granting to the public domain is in a significant limbo state, and that it's much more practical to use a loose license such as CC-BY. (Canadian version, UK (England and Wales) version.)

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[info]fidelioscabinet
2007-04-24 06:36 pm UTC (link)
Thnaks from yet another person for doing this, and I must add it's so very like you to find a constructive, pleasant way to respond to the issue that Dr. Hendrix raised--and one that has benefitted many creative people by giving their work more exposure, and many readers by giving them more to read, as well as suggestions for writers to look for when they are book-buying.

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[info]papersky
2007-04-24 06:39 pm UTC (link)
A number of people have said this, or mentioned my "famous wry sense of humour" but it seemed to me such an obvious response I googled around to check that nobody else had suggested it first.

I'm really glad people are enjoying it so much.

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[info]fidelioscabinet
2007-04-24 06:47 pm UTC (link)
Where plenty of others were ready for a fight, you just went and showed why he was wrong. No flailing, no arguing, no hot-tempered retort, nothing to apologize for later on.

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[info]athenais
2007-04-24 06:45 pm UTC (link)
For myself, I'm glad you suggested it because it made me determined to post a piece of fiction in public. In order to do that, I had to finally rewrite it. And in order to do that I had to stop being so precious about not liking to rewrite. So it had a very nice cascading effect from my viewpoint.

Plus wow, so much great fiction. My wishlist just got a lot bigger.

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[info]janetmk
2007-04-24 06:52 pm UTC (link)
It was a grand thing. The enthusiasm of the participants was wonderful to behold. And we readers now have a cache of online reading to entertain us for quite a while.

Thanks for doing it.

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[info]zingerella
2007-04-24 07:25 pm UTC (link)
I loved your response. It made me wistful for my utter and complete lack of inspiration.

But then there were all these lovely things to read, which cheered me immeasurably.

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[info]sylvia_rachel
2007-04-24 07:36 pm UTC (link)
I am also a supporter of the concept of copyright (I work in publishing and am an aspiring novelist, so it would be a bit odd if I weren't...), but not infinite copyright.

A colleague of mine is convinced that the United States keep extending the life-plus provision on copyright protection primarily to keep Mickey Mouse under copyright (though wouldn't MM be trademarked rather than copyrighted? Ah, the murky waters of US IP law...).

I intended to blog yesterday about the (many) writers I have discovered online and whose books I have subsequently purchased, but time got away from me and I didn't. Also, of course, I was busy reading stuff from yesterday's thread, and deciding which of it to read next.

Thanks for such a practical, useful, cheerful, non-fulminatory response to the original stimulus!

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[info]abostick59
2007-04-24 07:57 pm UTC (link)
Oh, and to the 40-odd people who have friended me in the last week -- this journal is nothing like this interesting normally! Sometimes I post nothing but wordcount for days on end! I won't be the slightest bit offended if you go away again now the excitement is over. But if you want to stick around and say hello now you're here, that's also fine with me.

I would have friended you years ago if I weren't so parsimonious with my flist. My core criterion for LJ friending is, do I link to them in my blog? I linked to you just yesterday, and added you to my blogroll, and to my flist. We know all sorts of people in common; among other things, [info]wild_irises is my partner. So is [info]wordweaverlynn.

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[info]davidgoldfarb
2007-04-25 10:58 am UTC (link)
I would humbly put myself forward as someone else you and Jo have in common.

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[info]catrambo
2007-04-24 08:04 pm UTC (link)
I'm sticking on the flist -- I'm a big fan, and rooting for Farthing, award-wise, since I think it's just superb. Like many others, I would like to thank you for getting this particular pixel-stained ball rolling. -Cat

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[info]willshetterly
2007-04-24 09:51 pm UTC (link)
Forgive me if you addressed this elsewhere and I missed it: Did you realize World Book and Copyright Day was on 23 April? When I first noticed, I thought it was unfortunate, but when I thought about it more, I started liking it a lot, because IPST Day illustrates that the issues around books and copyrights are more complex than they're often presented.

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[info]mbernardi
2007-04-24 11:06 pm UTC (link)
Did anyone notice that it was also St George's Day, which got a bit of coverage in the UK press.

Will this be an annual event, with a dedicated website ?

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[info]willshetterly
2007-04-24 11:11 pm UTC (link)
I think Jo mentioned the St. George connection. I usually don't like George as dragon-slayer, but for this event, it may be appropriate.

I cannot imagine that IPST Day can be stopped now.

A directory of contributions to the day is being built here. I think it only includes the links at the SFWA LJ so far, but Dusk Peterson plans to include the ones here and at the IPSTP LJ also.

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[info]duskpeterson
2007-04-25 12:39 am UTC (link)
Yes, though it will take me a bit longer to do these other two blogs, since there are more entries.

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[info]duskpeterson
2007-04-25 06:56 am UTC (link)
I'm starting to get e-mail flooding in, so I'll add to folks here: If you're concerned about being listed in my directory of IPSTP Day creations, please see the final words in this post.

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[info]papersky
2007-04-25 12:09 am UTC (link)
No, good gracious, is it? I had no idea. Is that some American thing? I've never even heard of it.

I knew it was Sant Jordi in Catalonia, when people give each other books and flowers, which seemed appropriate.

What happened was I was talking about this with [info]dhole on Saturday 14th and I said I was going to say "tomorrow" and he pointed out that people (me included!) would need time to format things and find things and next week would be better, and I looked at the calendar and saw that Sunday 22nd was followed by Monday 23rd, Shakespeare's birthday, St. George's Day, and I remembered that was also Sant Jordi which just seemed right.

So no, entirely coincidental -- unless whoever chose it chose it as Book and Copyright Day originally did it for the Sant Jordi connection, which is possible.

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[info]willshetterly
2007-04-25 12:49 am UTC (link)
It's a UNESCO thang, started in '95. So far as I can tell, Americans ignore it. When I notice news articles about it, they're usually from tiny countries that, I suspect, are sucking up to the copyright powers.

Perhaps I am too cynical. Many countries value books more than Americans do, and they may be focusing more on "book" than "copyright."

Wikipedia has a decent write-up here.

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[info]sylvia_rachel
2007-04-25 01:56 am UTC (link)
I'm pretty sure I've seen Canada Book Day posters on the subway over the past few weeks, too ("get one, give one, read one" -- which just sounds like an ordinary day to me, but never mind). I sort of thought that might be another reason for choosing 23 April.

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[info]owlfish
2007-04-25 09:18 am UTC (link)
According to UNESCO, the day was chosen as World Book and Copyright Day because of Shakespeare, Cervantes, and de la Vega all dying on it.

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