Jo Walton ([info]papersky) wrote,
@ 2006-04-09 18:09:00
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Books this last little while
Happy Birthday [info]fomorian, my favourite brother-in-law!



Dorothy Sayers Gaudy Night, Busman's Honeymoon. Fifth or sixth re-read. Someone in the comments to my last books post said that Sayers "wrote her own fanfic" with these two, which struck me as bizarre -- you can't get more canonical, surely? -- and who wouldn't think breathing novels about real people better than clever little mysteries with clockwork revolving figures? There are bits of the prose of Gaudy Night that leave me breathless, and I think what she was doing in Busman'd Honeymoon is something almost nobody has done -- examining the "happy ever after". I sometimes compare these two to Shards of Honor and Barrayar. Other times I compare Gaudy Night to Tam Lin.

Elizabeth Moon The Speed of Dark. Continuing with the same theme, most of the Moon I've read has been fast-paced enjoyable adventure. This is different, and quite astonishing. It's the story of an autistic bioinformatics programmer in the near future as he is forced to consider undergoing an experimental operation to make him "normal", from his own POV, which is alien, limited, and utterly fascinating. Brilliant. Read it.

David Nobbs I Didn't Get Where I Was Today. Autobiography of comic writer David Nobbs. I shouldn't have read this on the train, because it made me laugh until I wept, and then when I read out what had made me laugh to the deeply embarrassed Zorinth it had the same effect on him. Beautifully written, much more honest than most such books, and with a wonderful sense of timing. If you haven't read any Nobbs, though, you should start with Second From Last in the Sack Race.

Ursula Le Guin Gifts. A short, brilliant, original fantasy novel, with note-perfect solid description, a lovely world, and a great voice. This has everything I love about Le Guin's writing and none of the problem of trying too hard for the distant view and tripping over the feet at hand. I loved it. I can see already that this is going to be one of those books I read frequently. I wish I could write like that.

Anita Diamant The Red Tent. Recommended by [info]adrian_turtle. This is a retelling of the Jacob/Joseph part of the bible from the POV of Dinah. It's female-centred in a very odd way indeed. I liked it, and I thought it a reasonable reconstruction from the story and the archaeology, but it had the same kind of problems mythological retellings often have of having to deal with odd weightings when they touch the known.

Marge Piercy Living in the Open Poetry collection. I read this in between most of the above. It's one I never managed to find before. There's a lot in it that's lovely, but nothing that really burned through me the way her very best work does. Despite the title, I could sense a lot of holding back, probably because I'd read her later poetry collections and her autobiography. I mustn't give up on finding the Piercy poetry I don't have, even though looking is so seldom fruitful. I found this in one of the lovely second-hand bookshops in Kingston.

Marge Piercy Fly Away Home, nth reread. Reading the poetry made me feel like re-reading one of the related novels. This one is set in Boston, in very specific places that made me sorry I hadn't gone on a "Fly-Away-Home literary tour" while I was there for N4. I was going to say it's about arson and divorce, but in fact it's about the nature of evil. If you can stand to read books about middle-aged women in the real world, this is a very good one.


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[info]malkingrey
2006-04-09 10:11 pm UTC (link)
Dorothy Sayers Gaudy Night, Busman's Honeymoon. Fifth or sixth re-read. Someone in the comments to my last books post said that Sayers "wrote her own fanfic" with these two, which struck me as bizarre -- you can't get more canonical, surely? -- and who wouldn't think breathing novels about real people better than clever little mysteries with clockwork revolving figures?

Having read both the Sayers canon (repeatedly) and a great deal of fanfic, I can understand, I think, what the commenter was getting at. It's as if Sayers was taking her own earlier texts (which admittedly did partake at times of the "clockwork revolving figures" nature, though I'll maintain that they were usually better than that, and were always a very high grade of clockwork in any case) and treating them as the canonical base upon which to construct further stories whose essential purpose was not the nominal mystery plot, but rather the development and exploration of personal relationships among the series characters -- which is one of the main ways in which a piece of fanfiction can interact with its canonical base.

(On a less elevated note, it's also hard to miss the fact that Harriet Vane can be said to display Mary-Sueish characteristics when viewed in certain lights.)

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[info]juliansinger
2006-04-10 05:26 am UTC (link)
She what?

(How would you argue that she's All Perfect Everything and has all the powers that the author /wishes/ she had? That... seems really not what I'm reading.)

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[info]ex_greythist387
2006-04-10 06:06 am UTC (link)
Indeed--if anything, Wimsey might qualify as a Gary Stu. Harriet Vane undergoes a bit too much personal anguish, in my view; Sues are relatively static re: character development.

OTOH, I'm not sure what one'd gain (for these characters and this set of novels) by using those terms. Famous authors also commit Sue? Wimsey's a little too good? Sure, but....

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[info]aethereal_girl
2006-04-10 09:20 am UTC (link)
Well, she:

a) shares many characteristics with the author

and

b) appears in a previously established universe and wins the affections of the previously-unobtainable main male character.

One can also argue that she

c) causes established characters to behave in ways at odds with their previous behavior

and indeed

d) warps the universe around herself in such a way that the stories become about her, rather than about their previous concerns (clockwork mysteries, etc.)

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[info]zadcat
2006-04-10 05:59 am UTC (link)
I made the original fanfic comment, but [info]malkingrey explicated it far better than I could have!

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[info]antonia_tiger
2006-04-10 07:07 am UTC (link)
I'd just add that, while the elements are there, both fanfic and Mary-Sue, they're a long way from being a complete description.

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[info]malkingrey
2006-04-10 02:43 pm UTC (link)
Well, of course they're far from being a complete description. And the original is only a pejorative comment if one begins by making the reflexive equation "fanfic=bad writing," which I doubt the original commenter was doing and which I certainly wasn't.

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[info]antonia_tiger
2006-04-10 05:52 pm UTC (link)
Thinking a little more about the question, I reckon that the Mary-Sue claim is almost indefensible. Whether it's Harriet Vane or Lord Peter, both make mistakes, both are uncertain about their relationship. It isn't enough for DLS to have fallen in love with Lord Peter; love is almost irrelevant to a Mary-Sue anyway.

The fanfic claim does hold up. They don't quite go out of the genre, but they p[lunge into the sub-text of the earlier stories with a fan-like enthusiasm. We've seen Peter and Harriet embroiled in a mystery. He's the shell-shocked son of a Duke. She's a thriller-writer who has stood trial for murder. They fight crime.

Yes, it's a fan-fic, right down to that proposal in Latin, but I'll withdraw my support for the Mary-Sue claim.

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[info]juliansinger
2006-04-11 06:41 am UTC (link)
Well, no, I don't think /fanfic/ is. I think fanfic that involves a Mary Sue /is/, though.

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[info]tayefeth
2006-04-10 02:39 am UTC (link)
I love The Speed of Dark. I've been trying to get [info]alchemia to read it and tell me how accurately it portrays an autistic worldview, but so far my persuasive skills haven't been up to the task.

The Red Tent was actually given to me by my mother-in-law, who found it through a women's reading circle at her church. If I were Christian, I suspect I'd join that reading circle...

One of these days, I'll read Sayers, but I think LeGuin needs to go on my To-Read pile first.

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[info]secrets_and_lie
2007-04-30 09:48 pm UTC (link)
Just stumbled across this via google (don't ask), and wanted to comment on your comment. Maybe you know this already, but Elizabeth Moon has a high-functioning autistic son and has written a fair amount about that experience. I have one myself, so I pay attention to such things. I haven't read The Speed of Dark but would bet she did a good job with the autistic world view (unlike, say, Mark Haddon in The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-time, which was a wall-banger for me).

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[info]tayefeth
2007-04-30 09:58 pm UTC (link)
I did know that. I read it chiefly because I adore Elizabeth Moon's books (at least, the ones up to and including The Speed of Dark). My autistic nephew's parents weren't too thrilled by the book. My mother pointed out that the ending is basically an autist's dream, rather than a 'cure', but don't let that spoil the book for you.:-)

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[info]fomorian
2006-04-10 04:13 pm UTC (link)
Thanks :) Looking forwards to seeing all of you in the not-to-distant future!

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