Jo Walton ([info]papersky) wrote,
@ 2004-09-09 14:45:00
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Another cool thing I did in Boston
"There's a stained glass globe," Tom Whitmore said. "And you can walk inside it."

The Mary Baker Eddy Christian Science Centre Thingummy is a thing as good as a cathedral, but not like a cathedral. I went with Tom and Marci and a couple of friends of theirs, and Nancy Lebovitz. It's immensely cool. There's a fountain that spills words onto the floor, where they swirl around before climbing up the walls to form unexceptionable secular humanist platitudes. Then there's a stained glass globe of the world in 1934, huge and glowing, big enough for ten or fifteen people to walk inside. It's a perfect aural space, magnifying even a whisper from the centre. There was a presentation, on the general cool nature of the world -- Christian Scientists seem to be for it, and not very interested in presenting their views on the flesh and the devil, which I gather they're against. ("When Mary Baker Eddy said she didn't like her teddy...") I'm actually very impressed with their use of monumental space and the fact that they had the Dictionary of Religions in their giftshop.

After the presentation they let us play in the globe for a little while. I went to the very centre, where all the acoustics were with me, and recited Keats's "On First Looking Into Chapman's Homer", that paeon to the glory of expanding one's horizons by reading one's book. It sounded absolutely terrific, magnified, echoing back, and I turned around so that I could stare at the Pacific when I came to that line. Then the guide asked me for the author and reference, and actually wrote it down.


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[info]ailsaek
2004-09-09 12:15 pm UTC (link)
I really like the Christian Science Center (aka "the Mother Church"). The fountain outside is water tested every year so that it will be OK for kids to play in - their gift to the city of Boston. I took Kathy to play in it a couple of times when she was small.

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[info]kate_nepveu
2004-09-09 12:24 pm UTC (link)
Ah, so they haven't changed the map, then? It was closed for quite a while for renovation during my college years, when I spent chunks of time just down the street; I naively thought they were updating the map, but I suppose that would not really have been practical.

I haven't been in since I was a kid. I'll have to remember at Boskone.

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[info]ckd
2004-09-10 12:47 am UTC (link)
They have an interesting-looking cafe now as well. Perhaps a lunch & Mapparium get-together at Boskone would be worthwhile; I can get advance cheap tickets through MITAC. (This offer not restricted to Kate and [info]orzelc.)

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[info]ssprince
2004-09-17 08:16 am UTC (link)
I would like such a get-together. I meant to go to the Mapparium Noreascon, but ended up seeking greenery the times I went outside the con; not so available during Boskone (I had admired the Prudential courtyard garden, and was glad the door were unlocked this time; it would still provide a lot to look at in winter). Also I'd get to meet some more people behind names....

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[info]ckd
2004-09-17 11:27 am UTC (link)
I've put a reminder on my calendar to post about this on my LJ at the beginning of February; that'll give me enough lead time to gather names, pick a time, get the tickets, etc.

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[info]kate_nepveu
2008-07-16 10:44 am UTC (link)
Papersky, this is a spammer.

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[info]kate_nepveu
2008-07-16 01:54 pm UTC (link)
As are cleoduriw and rebeccaxekyc.

And marissazohuw.

Edited at 2008-07-16 01:55 pm UTC

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[info]papersky
2008-07-17 02:56 pm UTC (link)
Yes, I know. I was in Lancaster and didn't have net access.

I hate this kind of spam. Hate it, hate it.

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[info]flit
2004-09-09 12:25 pm UTC (link)
I was raised as a Christian Scientist and could try to explain what I remember of the religion (the Sunday School view) if you're interested. I've never been to the center, but all of that seems *very* Christian Science, down to writing down the reference.

They don't present their views on flesh and the devil (who is actually treated as a lack rather than an entity) because that would only emphasize them.

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[info]skylarker
2004-09-09 04:26 pm UTC (link)
I, too, was raised as a Christian Scientist. I didn't hear anything about the devil in Sunday School or church. The bad stuff was all attributed to 'error' - in our understanding or perceptions. One of the things I liked about the church.

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[info]joyeuse13
2004-09-09 12:46 pm UTC (link)
Thank you for that lovely description! I've added this entry to my memories so the next time I visit Boston can look this up.

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[info]misia
2004-09-09 01:04 pm UTC (link)
I went to undergraduate school down the street from the Chri Sci Center (a.k.a. The Mom Church) and had many enjoyable trips to see the globe. I'm glad you found your way to it! Your reading must've been delightfuller than delightful, what a perfect place for that poem.

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[info]agrumer
2004-09-09 01:32 pm UTC (link)
Wow. Now I regret not going inside.

Ah well. It's not as if visiting Boston again is a major expense or difficulty for me.

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[info]rushthatspeaks
2004-09-09 02:45 pm UTC (link)
I live here and had not heard of that. Must go see. It sounds amazing. And what a place for that poem!

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[info]athenais
2004-09-09 04:46 pm UTC (link)
Me too, also: I was raised as a Christian Scientist. In CS there is no such thing as hell, Satan or sin, only error in thinking, an inability to see the truth due to fear or ignorance. There's also no Holy Trinity, no particular focus on Mary, no ministers or sermons, and one can't get married in a Christian Science church.

Willa Cather wrote an enlightening biography of Mary Baker Eddy. She didn't think very highly of her intellectual honesty. I've known since college that MBE borrowed heavily from Emerson, for instance.

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Bio of MBE
(Anonymous)
2004-10-06 06:56 am UTC (link)
I was raised and am now a Christian Scientist doing some writing for the Texas Committee on Publication. The Cather book left behind an important data base of information, but was not in fact a truthful or accurate book. It was the outgrowth of a McClure's Magazine diatribe against Mrs. Eddy.
I'm interested in your note that Mrs. Eddy "borrowed heavily" from Emerson. How so?

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Re: Bio of MBE
[info]athenais
2005-01-08 05:02 am UTC (link)
That is quite interesting about the biography. I wouldn't be surprised to hear someone had an agenda to discredit MBE. I've never heard that that was the case with Cather. Can you point me to some more information about it? I am happy to have more data on this point.

There is some striking similarity between Emerson's circles theory and some of MBE's theology about life after death. I haven't looked at the two side by side for years, but I was amazed by it at the time I started studying Emerson.

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[info]redbird
2004-09-09 05:36 pm UTC (link)
That is very cool. I suspect it was closed the last (only?) time I was in that part of Boston.

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[info]athenais
2004-09-09 06:26 pm UTC (link)
[info]juliansinger asked me somewhere in this thread, possibly now removed, Does the Christian Science church as an organization approve of Christian Scientists, in general, getting married, even if they can't do it in Christian Science churches, or do they think it's better not to?

Oh, they are all for marriage, and they don't have a restriction on where one gets hitched. Anything recognized by the state is recognized by the church (and I assume this includes gay marriage; Christian Science doesn't have an official position on that issue as far as I know). They simply do not allow marriages to be performed in their churchs. I really don't know why.

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[info]papersky
2004-09-10 04:07 am UTC (link)
Probably because that globe would be booked for marriages from now to the heat death of the universe!

I'm thinking of reading up on them as a phenomenon.

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[info]kate_nepveu
2004-09-10 06:42 am UTC (link)
That would be a very cool place to get married.

My primary association with "Christian Scientist" is "healing by faith not medicine, even for your kids," which doesn't make me very eager to read up on them, but then I'm not that interested in religion generally.

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[info]athenais
2004-09-10 08:22 am UTC (link)
The deal is Christian Scientists believe that everyone, not just Jesus, has the same ability to heal themselves. MBE did not say someone of the faith cannot go to a doctor. She specifically mentions taking "human footsteps" while learning to rely on God as the source of all things, including healing. So, you know, CS go to the dentist and the eye doctor, and some see physicians for problems. But ideally one relies on God for all things.

It's the people who take it to the "must not go to doctors" level that give Christian Scientists a bad name. There are many more of the first sort than that sort. I am totally appalled by anyone who puts faith over common sense. I speak as someone whose mother died of breast cancer rather than be treated by a doctor. My father, a cancer survivor, had no trouble at all deciding to seek out medical help.

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[info]kate_nepveu
2004-09-10 08:27 am UTC (link)
That's very interesting, thank you for the explanation. I apologize for not doing further research on the matter before commenting.

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[info]athenais
2004-09-10 07:03 pm UTC (link)
Oh, it's a perfectly reasonable brief summary. Most people only hear about Christian Science when some fool refuses to take their kids to the doctor for a completely treatable disease. There've been some scandals over the years and they got the coverage they deserved. I guess I just wanted to be sure folks knew that was those particular people who went with an extreme viewpoint, and not something specific to the tenets of the religion. It's not prescriptive, if you know what I mean. Overall I find it provided a handy introduction to metaphysics and a fairly benevolent Christian theology.

I did mention I'm not a follower of the religion, right? I'm not. Never have been.

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(Anonymous)
2005-01-08 03:52 am UTC (link)
It's a good thing a few lines down you mention you are not a Christian Scientist, because that fact is very obvious to those who are and were.

MBE made it very clear that just as man cannot serve God and mammon, Christian Science and medical care are not compatible. In fact, the entire religion is wrapped around this core belief, without it there is no CS religion. Physical existence, per CS dogma, is temporal and illusory, modern medical care by it's very treatment of the physical body is the antithesis of these beliefs.

The church will not prevent a member from seeing a medical doctor, however, going to see one immediately makes a memeber ineligible for CS practitioner and sanatorium care. I suggest you read any of the multitudes of websites available concerning Christian Science and Mary Baker Eddy before making any more uninformed remarks of this sort.

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[info]athenais
2005-01-08 04:56 am UTC (link)
I was raised a Christian Scientist, which I explicitly state in my original comments. I attended Sunday School and church until age 18. I do not practice the religion. You are quite free to disagree with my conclusions, but I am speaking from a position of familiarity with the religion.

Your statement that The church will not prevent a member from seeing a medical doctor, however, going to see one immediately makes a memeber ineligible for CS practitioner and sanatorium care is quite simply untrue. My parents, lifelong Christian Scientists, each had cancer and were seen by doctors as well as working with a practicioner. My mother spent her last year in a Christian Science nursing home (sanitorium) once she decided to not pursue medical intervention. She certainly wasn't ineligible to be there just because she saw a doctor at first.

There are a range of views and interpretations of the religion among its practicioners. Mine is one, yours is another, the various others who identified themselves as having been raised in CS are yet others. I suggest you get off your high horse if you want to participate in this discussion.

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mom/cancer
(Anonymous)
2007-04-19 03:55 pm UTC (link)
same thing happened to me. however, the truth belief after all my parents taught me is that we r one w/God and Jesus was trying to teach us to reach His level. my dad used to say "God made doctors, thus doctors r good"

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Marriage in CS Churches
(Anonymous)
2004-10-06 07:02 am UTC (link)
Being a Christian Scientist (married even!) I can answer the marriage question for you.Because the Bible and Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures are the only pastors of the church. There is no ordained, human clergy and therefore no one to fulfill state requirements regarding marriage.

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Re: Marriage in CS Churches
[info]ein_suender
2006-07-20 02:01 am UTC (link)
Quakers don't have clergy and yet perform marriages. You don't need clergy to perform a marriage.

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why christian scientists don't use their church for weddings
(Anonymous)
2006-11-26 04:36 am UTC (link)
Christian Science churches are for worshipping God. period.

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[info]juliansinger
2004-09-10 01:50 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, I did ask about the marriage thing, and then I deleted it because I followed up to the wrong person. Thank you for answering anyway.

The Mapparium is one of my favorite places in Boston. My mother told me it had been closed to the public, and I'm very glad to hear she's wrong.

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[info]ckd
2004-09-17 10:44 am UTC (link)
It was closed for quite some time for the renovations, but is now open again (obviously). I can see how people may have thought it was closed-for-good closed though.

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Mapparium
(Anonymous)
2005-06-11 03:55 pm UTC (link)
I think I was your guide--glad you enjoyed it. :)

Karla

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