Jo Walton ([info]papersky) wrote,
@ 2004-03-25 09:26:00
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I'm not sure if I've mentioned before about all the time travellers around in Montreal.


They're easy to spot. They got their clothes from a box marked "1970-2030" or sometimes "1950-2050". They wear shoes that don't quite look like any shoe you've seen before, with flared trousers and a jacket, shirt and bowtie. Or they might sport a brand new t-shirt declaring "US Troops Out Of Indochina Now!", under a coat entirely inadequate to the weather. Their hair doesn't look quite right, close, but not quite right. There's usually one thing that draws attention, and then all the other little things that don't quite add up. I generally see them on public transport, where you get time to look, as long as you don't get caught. What really makes me sure they're time travellers is that glorious enthusiasm they have for everything, the way they look at ads and stroke the seats of buses with an almost palpable glow of nostalgia. "Yes, this is how it was!" they seem to be thinking, or "My goodness, people really did this. I'm really here!"

Teresa mentioned on Making Light a while ago that she'd seen some in New York City. They're probably everywhere, but there are a lot of them here. It just makes me hope nothing awful is going to happen to the city.

They don't bother me at all. We get tourists from all over because Montreal is cool. It seems a perfectly reasonable thing to do. [info]rysmiel once saw a couple on the metro who looked just like us, only twenty years older. We think we'd come back to eat at some restaurant that will have gone out of business by then. If I'm going to do it myself, how could I possibly object to other people doing it now? (My clothes won't look wrong. I'll still have the same clothes. I have a sweat-shirt now that I've had since I was eighteen. I was wearing it on Monday. I'll still have the same hair, too.)

Anyway, a couple of these guys, father and son, or maybe the same guy at two different ages, have started a new second hand bookstore up on Sherbrooke, Sherbrooke West and either Wilson or Harvard. They're not stupid, they don't have any stock from the future -- in fact they've been really extra-careful and they don't have any stock older than about 1964. What they do have is a lot of stuff -- a lot of stuff -- that you never see any more.

Gothics. Westerns. Ace Doubles. Old green Penguins. Most of all, those ancient American paperbacks with terrible covers and yellow page-edges that were the first paperbacks there ever were, the mass market paperbacks that led to the current system where mmpbs are pulped. They are pulp paperbacks.

Oh, you see them. You see all those things. I own some of them. But you don't see huge honking expanses of all of them unadulterated by anything new. You don't see the short stories of Noel Coward on paper that could have come from an old Galaxy, or Wuthering Heights with a clinch cover. They have a lot of old books of the kind that aren't valuable, that you used to see second hand and you stopped seeing because they fell apart.

Books are published, and people buy them, and then lots of people get rid of them, and the books as physical objects circulate in the current of thrift stores and used bookstores and for a while they're common and then they become rare and if there's a reprint that releases more into the wild. If you consider a best-selling in their day author like Nevil Shute or Georgette Heyer, whose books sold in the millions, and who wrote lots of books, at one time you'd have had no problem finding everything they ever wrote second hand in a big city like this. Even now, it's possible to pick up most of it just by looking, persistently, for a long time, going to Hay-on-Wye, keeping your eyes open.

But what you see easily, in big piles, are the newer authors, today's bestsellers, the ones whose books have just started to pile up.

The older ones vanish because people buy them and keep them, or because they just naturally disintegrate, they're not always being looked after. I've never had a mmpb I bought new fall apart on me, but not everyone is as fortunate.

I go to a lot of second hand bookstores. It's not exactly a hobby, it's more, as [info]carbonel put it once as we both turned together towards a stall, a tropism for books. I notice this kind of thing because of that. To someone less bookstore accustomed, or even to me before I got used to the way books are here, different from Britain, it probably wouldn't seem as odd, and I didn't notice right away.

This bookstore doesn't have any of the newer ones you'd expect, and it has large piles of the older ones which would naturally have disintegrated and be consequently rare. They probably picked it all up in 1960, and another load in 1994. Anything newer must be trades people brought in since they opened. We spent fifty dollars in there the first time we went in, bought about as many books as we could carry and picked up some interesting things -- nothing I desperately needed, as it happens, but some interesting things. It wasn't until the second time I went in there that I spotted what was odd. It wasn't that they had or didn't have any particular book, but the whole demographic of the place.

It didn't even strike me as weird, the first time, that they sold records. Vinyl records, you remember them? I have lots of them myself. You used to see them in bookstores, sometimes. There are a lot of places up in the Plateau that are Francophone used bookstores that also sell CDs. CDs. Vinyl records are sold these days only in really impressively large music specialists or in thrift stores. And this is a brand new store, it only opened about a month ago.

Having been tipped off to their time-travelling nature, I looked closely at the guys. Their hair wasn't right, but otherwise they'd done a good job with the clothes. They'd have got away with it entirely if it wasn't for the slightly smug and very pleased expressions, the expressions that said how interesting ordinary things were here, and which has that indefinable certainty that they knew how things were going to come out.

I didn't confront them. What would have been the point? It's not as if they're doing any harm -- the opposite, in fact, running a second hand bookstore is a service to humanity, and I said, I quite like time travellers. And if anything awful is going to happen to the city, well, they'll know, and as long as they're there, we'll know it's still safe.


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[info]browngirl
2004-03-25 07:18 am UTC (link)
This is the most wonderful thing I have ever read. :)

A
who remembers the time-travelers. :D

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[info]coffeeandink
2004-03-25 07:25 am UTC (link)
It just makes me hope nothing awful is going to happen to the city.

They could just be coming in for something wonderful, or the birth of someone who's going to be famous, or the concerts or readings or plays with them in.

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[info]fuchsoid
2004-03-25 07:56 am UTC (link)
This reminds me of the classic SF story Vintage Season, by CL Moore, in which the time-travellers appear as strangely well-groomed tourists who collect seasons with classically fine weather (and disasters). There's a summary of it here http://www.owmyhead.com/silverberg/oldsite/Shorts/silvshort_i.htm
This lot seem to have settled in for a longer visit, less like tourists and more like observers - I'm not sure whether that's a good sign or not.

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[info]redbird
2004-03-25 07:31 am UTC (link)
Maybe something really wonderful is going to happen to/in Montreal, and they're reserving a ring-side seat. Or studying the background so they can write their book/dissertation on the event and how Montrealers reacted to it.

I'm sure some of the people wandering around New York city in September 2001 were time travelers. But so, almost certainly, were some of the ones here, and in Lake Success, in 1945, studying the environment the UN was founded in. And baseball fans, and pop culture students, in 1969.

Or maybe they're studying the evolution of Montreal cuisine, and have decided that to do it properly they have to eat at certain restaurants every month for a 10-year period.

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[info]filkerdave
2004-03-25 07:37 am UTC (link)
I now have a vision of some famous SF fan from the past, long since thought vanished, appearing to [info]papersky at random intervals (and at various ages) and saying, "Something's going to happen. Something...wonderful."

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(no subject) - [info]arib, 2004-03-25 07:37 am UTC (Expand)

[info]jonquil
2004-03-25 08:11 am UTC (link)
Lovely essay.

Gothics. ... Old green Penguins.

<whimpers in unsated desire>

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[info]papersky
2004-03-25 08:25 am UTC (link)
Is there anything in particular that you're looking for?

Or you could always come and visit, it's all absolutely real.

They don't have the gothics I was looking for, which are all the Joan Aiken ones I don't have.

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(no subject) - [info]kalmn, 2004-03-25 10:44 am UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]kate_nepveu, 2004-03-25 10:57 am UTC (Expand)

[info]red_frog
2004-03-25 08:45 am UTC (link)
This is lovely.

Little as I liked that silly Salon article by the embittered writer, I am happy that it led me to a couple of people I might not have found otherwise.

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[info]snippy
2004-03-25 09:04 am UTC (link)
What better way to observe the author the future has deemed most worthwhile than to open a bookstore in the city where she lives?

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[info]jinian
2004-03-25 09:11 am UTC (link)
I haven't seen any here, but I bet a few were around for our World's Fair in 1962. Some people would probably want to see the building of the Space Needle, the thing which has to be photoshopped into every image of Seattle so people will think whatever it is was filmed here. People like me, though, would be fascinated by the images of the "future". I have a box of old Omni magazines that I gleefully look through for mentions of what would happen in the year 2000, so I don't think I could resist the lure of future-image tourism.

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[info]rysmiel
2004-03-25 09:20 am UTC (link)
My theory is that the Space Needle and the CN Tower are attachment points for when we get the hyperdrives ready to kick the whole planet into hyperspace.

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(no subject) - [info]jinian, 2004-03-25 09:27 am UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]ckd, 2004-03-25 12:18 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]stakebait
2004-03-25 09:23 am UTC (link)
That is So Cool.

I feel all De Lint now, with a side of Becky from A Little Princess. I'm a little too prosaic to actually manage the believing, but I want to so much it hurts. Will you point me here if I ever actually make it up to visit? I can pick up all the Heyers I'm missing. (Mom's MMPBs fall apart all the time, but that may be because we were both rereading them annually, and often in the bathtub.)

Mer

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[info]papersky
2004-03-25 10:10 am UTC (link)
It's been open a month, and as you can imagine, it's getting more prosaic as people are leaping on the oddities and bringing in modern books to exchange.

We can certainly take you there -- we can take you on one of our used bookshop trawls if you like.

This one is called Encore, and it's Sherbrooke O and Harvard -- I've just checked, which a sensible person would have done before writing about it, but there you go.

I'd promise to show you some time travellers too, but you can't rely on seeing them, sometimes I go weeks at a time without spotting one.

I'd write a story about them, except that they're a classic example of something where there's a cool thing but no story. I have thought of something else about them though -- they never have any tech, no cell phone, no discman, no palm pilot.

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(no subject) - [info]stakebait, 2004-03-25 10:28 am UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]redbird, 2004-03-25 07:00 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]eleccham, 2004-03-26 12:32 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]aethereal_girl, 2004-03-25 10:53 am UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]papersky, 2004-03-25 11:13 am UTC (Expand)
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(no subject) - [info]papersky, 2004-03-25 12:02 pm UTC (Expand)
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[info]glinda_w
2004-03-25 10:07 am UTC (link)
would you mind if I added this to my LJ memories?

utterly wonderful. And yes, I think some of them are here in Seattle.

(obVinyl: there's a store that sells used vinyl, and music (scores, etc.),
and books, up on Capital Hill, and it's wonderful...)

--glinda

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[info]papersky
2004-03-25 10:13 am UTC (link)
Go ahead, I'm flattered.

I'm not at all surprised they're in Seattle too, it sounds like a great city from what I've heard about it.

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[info]saoba
2004-03-25 10:20 am UTC (link)
Yes. Oh very yes.

Spotting them always gives me a bit of a shiver. One does almost want to gawk, which would be ill mannered.

Barbara

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[info]iamjw
2004-03-25 10:43 am UTC (link)
I was pointed in this direction by [info]kightp and I'm very pleased I followed.

This is quite wonderful. Do you mind if I add you to my friends list?

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[info]papersky
2004-03-25 10:54 am UTC (link)
Feel free.

Anyone is quite welcome to add me at any time.

I'm glad you like it.

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I'm envious!
[info]eringryffin
2004-03-25 11:05 am UTC (link)
I came by way of [info]ajhalluk, and I'm terribly jealous. I *love* used bookstores, and there are no good ones where I live. Do your kind time-travellers have any old copies of Much Ado About Nothing? Finding old Shakespeare paperbacks is one of my secret joys in life (1940 Kittredge King Lear, 1939 Troilus and Cressida), but I've yet to run across Much Ado-- a shame, as it's one of my favorites.

...And you don't know me from AdamEve, so all that was incredibly presumptuous of me. ::Blushes:: Anyway, I wanted to say that I liked it very, very much (teeny-tiny quibble-- "flared" means 'widening at the bottom' -- "flair" means panache, and at the end I think you meant, "and as I said, I like..." rather than "and I said"), but anyway: if you don't mind, I'm going to friend you. :)

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Re: I'm envious!
[info]papersky
2004-03-25 11:24 am UTC (link)
I've thought it was "flair" since 1970, but of course it makes perfect sense for it to be "flare". I think in text, so most spelling mistakes that aren't out and out typos are long term built-in errors, the kind where you don't know you're wrong. Thank you so much.

They have a whole shelf -- a shelf and a half -- of old individual Shakespeare. I didn't look what in detail, because [info]zorinth has a really cool old collected works, and I have... [info]rysmiel has... it's around somewhere... a big paperback collected works, so I don't need any. But I could look next time and let you know.

Oh, and yes, feel free to add me, of course.

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Re: I'm envious! - [info]zorinth, 2004-03-25 02:04 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]lblanchard
2004-03-25 11:11 am UTC (link)
Here in Philadelphia a pharmacist died in the early 50s and his widow simply closed the place, a drugstore-cum-soda-fountain.

I mean pulled down the shades and locked the doors and left it, intact, for fifty years.

A few years back, when she died I guess, the place re-opened without anything changing. I mean anything. All the old stock was in the cabinets. Yeah, yeah, the food was new, but it was all old food, if you get my drift -- milkshakes and fountain sodas, dipped ice cream, etc. It was called "The Phantom Fountain." It was tres trendy for a year or so, then went out of business and now is being rehabbed as something or other.

My point is that a couple of odd ducks could have found The Phantom Bookshop, sold the building, and relocated the stock to Montreal. Just because they liked the place.

But the time-traveler conceit is cool, and I note that someone else on this thread has already referenced that creepy story, "Vintage Season."

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[info]eleccham
2004-03-26 12:46 pm UTC (link)
There was a place like that in B.F. Nowhere, Montana, that closed, oh, I think in the thirties or early forties. I read about it in the paper... they found a great solution for it.

Rather than re-opening it, or anything like that... they realized that there was no way they could make money with the business.

They held a charity auction, for all the old vintage equipment. They announced it nationwide. (I forget the charity; it might have been for the county school district, or some such.)

They raised quite a lot of money, as I recall.

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[info]faithhopetricks
2004-03-25 11:34 am UTC (link)
Oh, how lovely! I thought of "Vintage Season" too -- but perhaps they've just chosen to come back to a (to them) nice quiet time, like someone retiring to the country.

moi

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[info]aquila1nz
2004-03-25 11:50 am UTC (link)
Lovely. We had one a bit like that open up here about six years ago.

I never did figure out the system the books were filed by. I mean there was logic, and like with like and you could find things, but it wasn't a system my book shop inclined and library trained brain could recognise.

I've always been made fun of for my bookshop tropism (which I'd always defined as a magnetism). Nice to have it validated.

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[info]janetmiles
2004-03-25 12:00 pm UTC (link)
Since you said in response to another that anyone is free to friend you at any time, I will do so. Not just because of this post, because people have been pointing to your LJ for a while.

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[info]lcohen
2004-03-25 01:33 pm UTC (link)
reading this absolutely made my day. thank you.

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[info]pir_anha
2004-03-25 01:40 pm UTC (link)
*swoon*. i am so glad i know you.

now i wanna visit in the worst way.

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[info]clanwilliam
2004-03-25 02:33 pm UTC (link)
Ooooh! Their cousin is in Bath, cunningly disguised as an old buffer - and his disguise is near-perfect. But there's something not right about walking into a bookshop and walking out, having spent less than £10 for 12 books, including a hardback "Memoires of Mipsie" first edition, printed in the austerity era...

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[info]pameladean
2004-03-25 02:47 pm UTC (link)
Thank you.

Pamela

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[info]bibliotrope
2004-03-25 04:00 pm UTC (link)
I've added this post to my memories too.

I love that phrase, "a tropism for books"!

And I liked the idea of the couple you saw being you and Rysmiel visiting from the future. (Did they look at you with recognition and then look away? Or studiously ignore you?)

Also, the bookstore sounds really fascinating!

Someday I'll have to visit Montreal. I've been thinking about it for years. (Back during the Vietnam War I used to say that if they ever started issuing draft cards to women, I'd burn mine and take a bus to Montreal, which I chose because I'd studied French in school. This was about 35 years ago.)

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[info]rysmiel
2004-03-26 08:14 am UTC (link)
And I liked the idea of the couple you saw being you and Rysmiel visiting from the future. (Did they look at you with recognition and then look away? Or studiously ignore you?)

I was on my own when I saw them, and they paid me no visible attention.

I would appear to wear my hair shorter in 20 years' time.

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[info]embryomystic
2004-03-25 04:26 pm UTC (link)
Ah good, an entry I can direct people to when I'm trying to tell them about the time-travellers.

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Hmmm...
[info]twiglyt
2004-03-25 05:45 pm UTC (link)
I'll have to make a tour of all the downtown used bookstores & look a little more closely at the people. I haven't wandered around the Exchange District for awhile.

Vinyl is a very familiar sight to me. There are several different music places here in Winnipeg that have very few cds - they mostly stock vinyl.

Of course, there are an extraordinary amount of used stores in Winnipeg - antiques, retro, junk, clothing, books, vinyl, cds, etc...

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Ah, that explians somethings
[info]scottscidmore
2004-03-25 09:28 pm UTC (link)
There's a group of people that I know from the BBS heydays in Seattle, back in the 1980s. We get together every so often, just to BS.

One of them must have read that Making Light entry. This last meeting one of them looked at me, said "take off your glasses", looked some more, and proclaimed "you haven't changed since I met you, almost 20 years ago.". I happened to be wearing a 2nd hand dot-com shirt and a denim shirt from 1970, complete with faded patches of the time, I use as a light jacket, and some off brand boots that look like they were made a long time ago - all leather with brass eyelets and that. And I'm only mildly social, so I will 'disappear' for several months at a time.

Do note that 2nd hand stores are also good places to get items that you want, maybe to trade elsewhen. These will have been filtered out as they come in the door. If the store's contents have become mostly more common 2nd hand stuff, true junk, and one day the store is "closed for emergency", family illness, or other such excuse, you might consider taking a hasty vacation.

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Farewell, Romance!
[info]acrobatty
2004-03-27 12:49 am UTC (link)
(Hope you don't mind a post from a stranger who linked thru a mutual Friend)

We have a bookstore slightly like that here in my temporary home of Louisville, KY. The proprietor smells faintly of marijuana and inexpertly wraps purchases in half-ripped used plastic bags. He discourses knowledgably about Mark Twain and Dashiell Hammett. But his wares are not mostly as old as you describe.

Sigh. I wanna see that store. It's not even that I would want so many of the books, but it would return me for one brief moment to those pre-Web days when the thrill of discovery was in every used bookstore. Anything _might_ be there, and because it wasn't likely to be, it was even more exciting. It's not nearly the same now that all I have to do is punch in a search and throw money at the problem.

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